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How to install a working gentoo?
Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: Grant Edwards    Posted: 2006-01-25 23:07:56    Length: 1,116 byte(s)
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Are there some sort of "known working" snapshots or releases of
Gentoo?

I'm currently on about hour 30 of a gentoo install (my third),
and it sure looks like when you do a Gentoo install it's pretty
much a crap-shoot whether or not the current versions of the
apps/libraries are compatible with each other.

I feel like I'm bashing my head against a wall after spending
all day today masking/unmasking various library versions trying
to find a combination of GTK, pango, and gnome-python-extras
that works.

I've currently masked GTK+ 2.8, pango 1.10, and some others as
I work my way "backwards" trying to get a working system.  I do
have a working install that was done about a month ago, so I
know there is a set of recent library versions that work, but
the current ones sure don't seem to.

I'm now trying to figure out how to rebuild everyting that
depends on GTK+, but revdep-rebuild just doesn't seem to do
anything...

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Grant Edwards
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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: BlackTopBum    Posted: 2006-01-26 00:35:27    Length: 806 byte(s)
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

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I'm now trying to figure out how to rebuild everyting that
depends on GTK+, but revdep-rebuild just doesn't seem to do
anything...

To rebuild everything?
In this order:
emerge -eav system
emerge -eav world

Dunno what sort of install you're doing but I can get to CLI in 3.5 hours
doing a simple stage3. Need to re-evaluate your approach?
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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: Grant Edwards    Posted: 2006-01-26 00:52:02    Length: 2,115 byte(s)
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On 2006-01-26, BlackTopBum [going.vert@the.wall] wrote:
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

I'm now trying to figure out how to rebuild everyting that
depends on GTK+, but revdep-rebuild just doesn't seem to do
anything...

To rebuild everything?

No, to rebuild everything that depends on gtk+.

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Dunno what sort of install you're doing

A desktop development machine running XFCE.  I'm basically
trying to duplicate an install I did about a month ago.

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but I can get to CLI in 3.5 hours doing a simple stage3.

Me too.  It tring to get GTK and associated stuff working
that's wasted an entire day.

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Need to re-evaluate your approach?

How? Using a different distro?

About a half-dozen packages I emerged today either failed to
configure, failed to build, or didn't work after they were
installed.  I've started masking current versions of problem
packages and I'm now rebuilding X11/GTK/XFCE and a few other
things for the 3rd or 4th time.

Eventually, I should have most of the package vesions rolled
back to the working combination on my month-old install, but
the process is going to end up taking several days of work.

--
Grant Edwards

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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: BlackTopBum    Posted: 2006-01-26 01:01:30    Length: 697 byte(s)
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

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How? Using a different distro?

Apologies, Grant, I missed your point I guess.

May not be applicable to you - perhaps a benefit to another reader- but
FWIW, kernel 2.6.15-r1 and nvidia-kernel (6629-r6) is a "no go" combination
I experienced this day.
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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: Grant Edwards    Posted: 2006-01-26 10:48:14    Length: 2,471 byte(s)
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On 2006-01-26, BlackTopBum [going.vert@the.wall] wrote:
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

How? Using a different distro?

Apologies, Grant, I missed your point I guess.

May not be applicable to you - perhaps a benefit to another reader- but
FWIW, kernel 2.6.15-r1 and nvidia-kernel (6629-r6) is a "no go" combination
I experienced this day.

It's been a bit of a slog, but I finally seem to be making
headway. I got wxGTK installed and working by adding the
following to /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:

QUOTE
x11-libs/pango-1.9
x11-libs/gtk+-2.7
dev-python/pygtk-2.7
dev-python/gnome-python-2.10.9
gnome-base/gnome-panel-2.10.3
gnome-base/gnome-menus-2.10.3
gnome-base/eel-2.12
gnome-base/nautilus-2.12
gnome-extra/nautilus-cd-burner-2.12

The main problem _seems_ to be that the current stable versions
of wxGTK and pango are incompatible.  Rolling them back to the
point where they get alog with each other required that GTK+ be
rolled back from 2.8 to 2.6.  That, in turn, required several
bits of gnome to be rolled back from 2.12.xx to 2.10.xx

There was a fair nasty bit of trial-and-error involved.  

The dependency info for most packages seem to be incomplete in
that it contains a lower bound but no upper bound on the
versions of packages on which it depends. There were also a few
packages where the lower bounds on some required package
versions weren't correct as well.

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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: BlackTopBum    Posted: 2006-01-26 14:06:00    Length: 731 byte(s)
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

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It's been a bit of a slog, but I finally seem to be making
headway. I got wxGTK installed and working by adding the
following to /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:

Hmm, was kicking the idea of putting Gnome on the system and messing with
it, but I think it better to wait given your posts.
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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: Grant Edwards    Posted: 2006-01-26 14:38:49    Length: 1,403 byte(s)
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On 2006-01-26, BlackTopBum [going.vert@the.wall] wrote:
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

It's been a bit of a slog, but I finally seem to be making
headway. I got wxGTK installed and working by adding the
following to /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask:

Hmm, was kicking the idea of putting Gnome on the system and messing with
it, but I think it better to wait given your posts.

GTK and Gnome both got bumped up to the next big "minor"
release sometime in the past few weeks, and it looks like there
are still a few glitches.  I wish I'd better understood and
documented what I was doing so I knew which packages to file
bug reports on.

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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: BlackTopBum    Posted: 2006-01-26 15:16:23    Length: 1,179 byte(s)
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

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GTK and Gnome both got bumped up to the next big "minor"
release sometime in the past few weeks, and it looks like there
are still a few glitches.

You're being kind it seems - a few?

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I wish I'd better understood and documented what I was doing
so I knew which packages to file  bug reports on.

Try not to be hard on yourself. When in the thick of things it's easy to
overlook note taking while thinking of problem solving. I usually digest it
all and regurgitate the main points on paper at a convenient time.
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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: BlackTopBum    Posted: 2006-01-26 15:23:54    Length: 636 byte(s)
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

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Are there some sort of "known working" snapshots or releases of
Gentoo?[...]

Grant, I'm seeing similar posts in the Gentoo Forums. Maybe you will find
some useful assistance reading / posting there.
--
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Free yourself - put the fun back into computing.
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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: J.O. Aho    Posted: 2006-01-26 15:28:05    Length: 2,047 byte(s)
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Grant Edwards wrote:
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On 2006-01-26, BlackTopBum [going.vert@the.wall] wrote:
Grant Edwards said something like a ...

I'm now trying to figure out how to rebuild everyting that
depends on GTK+, but revdep-rebuild just doesn't seem to do
anything...
To rebuild everything?

No, to rebuild everything that depends on gtk+.

equery depends gtk+

that gives you the list of applications that depends on gtk+, then just run an
 'emerge --ondeshot' where you add those with the version number. It's kind
this way revdep does, but looking on dependency against files.



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About a half-dozen packages I emerged today either failed to
configure, failed to build, or didn't work after they were
installed.

Sounds more that the problem is somewhere else than in the gtk, bad CFLAGS can
cause problems, mixing unstable with stable can do the same in some cases,
overheated CPU makes a lot of random errors. Using hardened/uclibc can cause
problems too with some packages too.


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Eventually, I should have most of the package vesions rolled
back to the working combination on my month-old install, but
the process is going to end up taking several days of work.

Why don't you check up what version it uses and emerge those at once instead
of backing one ebuild at the time.


 //Aho

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Subject: How to install a working gentoo?
Author: Grant Edwards    Posted: 2006-01-26 15:43:44    Length: 1,195 byte(s)
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On 2006-01-26, BlackTopBum [going.vert@the.wall] wrote:
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Grant Edwards said something like a ...

Are there some sort of "known working" snapshots or releases of
Gentoo?[...]

Grant, I'm seeing similar posts in the Gentoo Forums. Maybe you will find
some useful assistance reading / posting there.

Yea, I should read those more often.  If web-form UI's didn't
annoy me so badly...

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